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WESTMINSTER AND BUCKINGHAM PALACE
NOV 20  11th Annual Community Police Officer of the Year Awards in the city of London, with the Home Secretary David Blunkett as VIP guest.
        At exactly the same time, Richard Chartres, the Bishop of London, will officiate over a sex majik ritual at Buckingham Palace, where George VV Bush, psychically charged by genocide, will have sex with the dead queen mother.
        The US leader & mass murderer must undergo sensory deprivation & fasting before 27th of Ramzaan, Shabbe Qadr (Night of Power).  He will stay up the whole night reciting Quran Shareef, offering special prayers & reading Nafils after which he will "ascend to heaven" on a "winged donkey with human head" - code for demonic possession of Elizabeth's grandfather, George V. It's significant this is to be the queen's mother and not Diana (mother of William, the sun-king in waiting).
        While the Queen acts as the titular head of the anglican church, she and her progeny are secretly active in an ancient pagan cult which incorporates islamic cum protestant and catholic teachings to synthesise a particularly sick form of aristo-paedo-fascism and compete alongside other royal and elite families in Amerikkka and Saudia to perpetuate an endless war on the proletariat.
        All police and the armed forces who have previously sided with the Windsor Gang and other sick leaders are urged to join the proletariat masses in open revolution against the elitist racist oppressors gathered in Westminster.  We call upon the police gathered at Bank for the 11th Annual Community Police Officer of the year Awards to arrest the Home Secretary and march on Westminster:
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      Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."  Schopenhauer


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p.3   WHO RUNS THE WORLD??!! A History of Money & Power / A Fairy Tale - PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT INFO EH FAIRY STORY YOU'VE EVER READ!  SPREAD THIS INFO!

p.13   FREECYCLING: A small but revolutionary part of the Solution?  THIS COULD TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

p.15    DODGY BIBLE SEXED UP!  //FEEDBACK ON FEEDBACK

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thanks to that damn fool on the (capitol) hill, i am unable (probably for the rest of my life) to visit morocco as is my wont.  am big and blond and look like a hated yank.  thanks george, u r great :(
instead, therefore, am heading off to southern spain, as near to the sun as i can (cheaply) get, for the next coupla weeks, during which there will probably be no UP!

oh yes, and happy birthday george!  today the number of american kids killed in iraq passed the number killed in the ‘war’.  (ignoring the thousands of future psychopaths who’ve been created)

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The History of Money and Power
A Fairy Tale
I Want The Earth Plus 5% -- How The FRB System Works

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"There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through its credit
(money) system." Phillip A. Benson, American Bankers' Association Pres, June 8 1939.
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Fabian was excited as he once more rehearsed his speech for the crowd certain to turn up tomorrow.  He had always wanted prestige and power and now his dreams were going to come true.  He was a craftsman working with silver and gold, making jewellery and ornaments, but he’d became dissatisfied with working for a living.  He needed excitement, a challenge, and now his plan was ready to begin.

For generations the people had used the barter system.  A man supported his own family by providing all their needs, or else he specialised in a particular trade.  Whatever surpluses he might have from his own production, he exchanged or swapped for the surplus of others.

Market day was always noisy and dusty, yet people looked forward to the shouting and waving, and especially the companionship.  It used to be a happy place, but now there were too many people, too much arguing.  There was no time for chatting -- a better system was needed.

Generally, the people had been happy, and enjoyed the fruits of their work.

In each community a simple Government had been formed to make sure that each person's freedoms and rights were protected and that no man was forced to do anything against his will by any other man, or any group of men.

This was the Government's one and only purpose and each Governor was voluntarily supported by the local community who elected him.

However, market day was the one problem they could not solve.  Was a knife worth one or two baskets of corn?  Was a cow worth more than a wagon -- and so on.  No one could think of a better system.

Fabian had advertised, "I have the solution to our bartering problems, and I invite everyone to a public meeting tomorrow."

The next day there was a great assembly in the town square and Fabian explained all about the new system which he called "money".  It sounded good.

"How are we to start?" the people asked.

"The gold which I fashion into ornaments and jewellery is an excellent metal. It does not tarnish or rust, and will last a long time. I will make some gold into coins and we shall call each coin a dollar."

He explained how values would work, and that "money" would be really a medium for exchange - a much better system than bartering.

One of the Governors questioned, "Some people can dig gold and make coins for themselves", he said.

"This would be most unfair", Fabian had prepared for this point: "Only those coins approved by the Government can be used, and these will have special marking stamped on them."  This seemed reasonable and it was proposed that each man be given an equal number.  "But I deserve the most," said the candle-maker. "Everyone uses my candles." "No", said the farmer, "without food there is no life, surely we should get the most."
And so the bickering continued.

Fabian let them argue for a while and finally said, "Since none of you can agree, I suggest you obtain the number you require from me. There will be no limit, except for your ability to repay. The more you obtain, the more you must repay in one year's time. "

“And what will you receive?" the people asked.

"Since I’m providing a service, that is, the money supply, I am entitled to payment for my work. Let’s say that for every 100 pieces you obtain, you repay me 105 for every year that you owe the debt. The 5 will be my charge, and I shall call this charge interest."

There seemed to be no other way, and besides, 5% seemed little enough charge. "Come back next Friday and we will begin."

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"The issue that’s swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner
 or later is the People v. The Banks."  Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875.
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Fabian wasted no time.  He made coins day and night, and at the end of the week he was ready.  The people were queued up at his shop, and after the coins were inspected and approved by the Governors the system commenced.  Some borrowed only a few and they went off to try the new system.

They found money to be marvellous, and they soon valued everything in gold coins or dollars.  The value they placed on everything was called a "price", and the price mainly depended on the amount of work required to produce it. 

In one town lived Alan, who was the only watchmaker.  His prices were high because the customers were willing to pay just to own one of his watches.  Then another man began making watches and offered them at a lower price in order to get sales.  Alan was forced to lower his prices, and in no time at all prices came down, so that both men were striving to give the best quality at the lowest price.  This was genuine free competition.

It was the same in every endeavour.  The customers always chose what they felt was the best deal - they had freedom of choice.  There was no artificial protection such as licences or tariffs to prevent other people from going into business.  The standard of living rose, and before long the people wondered how they had ever done without money.


At the end of the first year,
Fabian left his shop and visited all the people who owed him money.  Some had more than they’d borrowed, but this meant that others had less, since Fabian had issued a fixed number of coins in the first place. Those who had more than they’d borrowed paid back each 105, but still had to borrow again to carry on.

The others discovered for the first time that they had a debt.  Before he’d lend them more money (which they now had to have in order to continue in the new economy), Fabian took a mortgage over some of their assets, and everyone went away once more to try and get those extra 5 coins which always seemed so hard to find.

No one realised that, as a whole, the country could never get out of debt until all the coins were repaid, after which there were those extra 5 on each 100 which had never been lent out at all!  No one but Fabian could see that it was impossible to pay the interest - the extra money had never been issued!!  Someone, therefore, must always miss out.

Yes, of course, Fabian spent some coins himself, but he couldn't possibly spend anything like 5% of the total economy on himself.  There were thousands of people and Fabian was only one.  Besides, he was still a goldsmith making a comfortable living.


Now, at the back of his shop, Fabian had a strong room where people were increasingly finding it convenient to leave some of their heavy gold coins for safekeeping.  Fabian would charge a small fee based on the total amount, and the duration, and would give the owner a receipt for his deposit.

People, out shopping, didn’t normally carry a lot of gold coins, but would hand the shopkeeper one of these receipts to the value of the goods he wanted to buy.  Shopkeepers, of course, recognised it as being genuine and knew they could collect from Fabian.  Indeed pretty soon the receipts were being passed from hand to hand instead of the gold itself being transferred.  The people had great faith in the receipts - they accepted them as being as good as coins.


Before long, Fabian noticed that it was quite unusual for anyone to actually call  for their gold coins.  He thought to himself, "Here I am in possession of all this gold and I am still a hard working craftsman. It doesn't make sense. Why, there are dozens of people who’d be glad to pay me interest for the use of this gold which is lying here and rarely called for.
“True, the gold’s not mine - but it’s in my possession, which is all that matters.  I hardly need to make any coins at all, I can use some of the coins stored in the vault."

At first he was ultra cautious, loaning only a few at a time, and then only on tremendous security.  But gradually he became bolder, and started loaning larger and larger amounts.

One day, a really large loan was requested.  Fabian suggested, "Look, instead of carrying all these coins, let me make a deposit in your name, and give you several receipts to the value of the coins."  It sounded fine to the borrower who went with a bunch of receipts.  He’d obtained a loan, yet the gold remained in Fabian’s strong-room!   Which definitely made Fabian smile.  He could have his cake and eat it too.  He could "lend" gold and still keep it in his possession.

Friends, strangers and even enemies needed funds to carry out their businesses -- and so long as they could produce security, they could borrow as much as they needed.  By simply writing out receipts Fabian was able to "lend" money to several times the value of gold in his strong-room, and he was not even the owner of it! 

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"The few who can understand the System (Cheque Money and Credits)
will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours,
that there will be no opposition from that class. While on the other hand,
the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the
 tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear
its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that
the system is inimical (hostile, hurtful) to their interests. “  
Rothschild Bros of London to a New York firm of bankers on 25 June 1863.
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Everything was 100% safe so long as most of the real owners didn't call for their gold at the same time!  So long as the confidence of the people was maintained.  Fabian kept a book showing the debits and credits for each person.  The lending business was proving to be very lucrative indeed!!

His social standing in the community was increasing almost as fast as his wealth.  He was becoming a V.I.P, on everybody’s guest list.  In matters of finance, his very word was like a sacred pronouncement.


Goldsmiths from other towns were becoming curious about his activities and one day they called to see him.  He explained the whole set-up, while emphasising the need for secrecy.  If their plan was exposed, he said, the scheme would fail, so they agreed to form their own secret alliance.

Each returned to his own town and began to operate as Fabian had taught.

People now accepted the receipts as being as good as gold itself, and many receipts were deposited for safe keeping in the same way as coins.   When a merchant wished to pay another for goods, he simply wrote a short note instructing Fabian to transfer money from his account to that of the second merchant.  It took Fabian 60 seconds to adjust the figures.

This new system became very popular, and the instruction notes were called "cheques/checks".


Late one night, Fabian revealed a new plan to the goldsmiths at another secret meeting.  Next day they called a meeting with the Governors, and Fabian began.  "The receipts we issue have become very popular. No doubt, most of you Governors are using them and find them very convenient?" They nodded in agreement and wondered what the problem was.  "Well", he continued, "some receipts are being copied by counterfeiters. This practice must be stopped."

The Governors were alarmed. "What can we do?" they asked the “expert”.  Fabian replied, "My suggestion is this - first of all, let it be the Government's job to print new notes on a special paper with very intricate designs, and with each note signed by the chief Governor.  We goldsmiths will be happy to pay the printing costs, as it will save us a lot of time writing out receipts".  The Governors reasoned, "Well, it is our job to protect the people against counterfeiters and the advice certainly seems like a good idea."  So they agreed to print the notes.

"Secondly, some people have gone prospecting and are making their own gold coins. I suggest you pass a law that any person who finds gold nuggets must hand them in and be reimbursed with notes and coins."

The idea sounded good and, without too much thought, they printed a large number of crisp new notes.  Each note had a value printed on it -- $1, $2, $5, $10 etc.  The small printing costs were paid by the goldsmiths.

The notes were much easier to carry and soon became accepted by the people. 

Despite their popularity, however, these new notes and coins were used for only 10% of transactions.  Fabian’s records showed that the check system accounted for 90% of all business.


The next part of his plan now commenced.  Up till now, people had been paying Fabian to ‘look after’ their money.  But now, in order to attract more money into the vault, Fabian offered to pay depositors 3% interest.

Most people thought he was re-lending their money out to borrowers at 5%, and his profit was the 2% difference.  Besides, they were too pleased at getting 3% instead of paying, to see Fabian’s new move as anything but... humanitarian?.

The volume of savings grew, and soon, with the additional money in the vaults, Fabian could lend sometimes up to $900 for every $100 in notes and coins that he held in deposit.  He had to be careful not to exceed this 9:1 ratio because one person in ten did require the notes and coins for use and, if there was not enough money available when required, people would become suspicious - especially as their deposit books showed how much they’d deposited.

Nevertheless, on the “$900” Fabian loaned out by writing checks himself (of which $800 was non-existent), he could demand $45 in interest - 5% on $900.  When the. $945 loan plus interest was repaid, $900 was cancelled out in the debit column and Fabian kept the $45 interest.  From this $45 he only had to pay out $3 interest on the original $100 deposited which had never left the vaults at all.  This meant that for every $100 he held in deposits, it was possible to make 42% profit, most people believing he was only making 2%. 

The other goldsmiths were doing the same thing.  They created money out of nothing at the stroke of a pen, and then charged interest on top of it.

True, they didn't coin money, the Government actually printed the notes and coins and gave it to the goldsmiths to distribute.  Fabian's only expense was the small printing fee.  Still, they were creating credit money out of nothing and charging interest on top of it.  Most people believed that the money supply was a Government operation.  They also believed that Fabian was lending them the money that someone else had deposited, but it was very strange that no one's deposits ever decreased when a loan was advanced.  Only if everyone had tried to withdraw their deposits at once, would the fraud have been exposed.

When a loan was requested in notes or coins, it presented no problem.  Fabian simply explained to the Government that the increase in population and production required more notes, and these he obtained for the small printing fee.

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In the United States, the issuing of money is controlled by the Federal
Reserve Board. This is not a government department but a board of private
bankers. Most of us would believe that the Federal Reserve is a federal
arm of the national government. ... This is not true! ... In 1913
President Woodrow Wilson signed the document that created the Federal
Reserve, and committed the American people to debt slavery until such
time as they awake from their slumber and overthrow this vicious tyranny."
Hand Over Our Loot, No. 2
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One day a thoughtful man went to see Fabian. "This interest charge is wrong", he said. "For every $100 you issue, you are asking $105 in return. The extra $5 can never be paid since it doesn't exist.
“Farmers produce food, industry manufacturers goods, and so on, but only you produce money.
“Suppose there are only two businessmen in the whole country and they employ everyone else. They borrow $100 each from you, pay $90 out in wages and expenses and allow $10 profit (their wage). That means the total purchasing power is $90 + $10 twice, i.e. $200. Yet to pay you they must each sell all their produce for $210. If one succeeds in selling all his produce for $105, the most the other business man can collect is $95.  Part of his goods cannot be sold, as there is no money left to buy them.
“He will still owe you $10, and can only repay this by borrowing more. The system is impossible.
"Surely you should issue $105, i.e. 100 to me and 5 to you to spend. This way there would be 105 in circulation, and the debt can be repaid."

Fabian listened quietly.  Finally he said, "Financial economics is a deep subject, my boy, it takes years of study. Let me worry about these matters, and you look after yours. You must become more efficient, increase your production, cut down on your expenses and become a better businessman. I’m always willing to help in these matters."

The man went away, still unconvinced. There was something wrong with Fabian's operations and he felt that his questions had been avoided.

Yet, most people respected Fabian's word - "He’s the expert, the others must be wrong. Look how the country has developed, how our production has increased -- we must be better off."

To cover the interest on the money they’d borrowed, merchants were forced to raise their prices.  Wage earners complained that wages were too low.  Employers claimed they’d be ruined if they paid higher wages.  Farmers could not get a fair price for their produce.  Housewives complained that food was getting too dear.

And finally some people went on strike, a thing previously unheard of.   Others had become poverty stricken and their friends and relatives could not afford to help them.  Most had forgotten the real wealth all around -- the fertile soils, the great forests, the minerals and cattle. They could think only of the money which always seemed so scarce.  But they never questioned the system.  because they believed the Government was running it!

A few had pooled their excess money and formed "lending" or "finance" companies.  They could get 6% or more this way, which was better than the 3% Fabian paid, but they could only lend out money they owned -- they did not have this strange power of being able to create money out of nothing by merely writing figures in books.


At first these finance companies worried Fabian and his friends, so they quickly set up a few companies of their own.  Mostly, they bought the others out before they got going.  In no time, all the finance companies were owned by them, or under their control.

The economic situation got worse.  The wage earners were convinced the bosses were making too much profit.  The bosses said their workers were too lazy and weren't doing an honest day's work, and everyone was blaming everyone else. The Governors could not come up with an answer and, besides, the immediate problem seemed to be to help the poverty stricken.

So they started welfare schemes and made laws forcing people to contribute to them.  This made many people angry - they believed in the old-fashioned idea of helping one's neighbour by voluntary effort.  "These laws are nothing more than legalised robbery. To take something off a person against his will, regardless of the purpose for which it is to be used, is no different from stealing."

But each man felt helpless and was afraid of the jail sentence which was threatened for failing to pay.  These welfare schemes gave some relief, but before long the problem was back and more money was needed to cope.  The cost of these schemes rose higher and higher and the size of the Government grew.

Most of the Governors were sincere men trying to do their best.  They didn't like asking for more money from their people and finally, they had no choice but to borrow money from Fabian and his friends.  They had no idea how they were going to repay.  Parents could no longer afford to pay teachers for their children.  They couldn't pay doctors.  And transport operators were going out of business.

One by one the government was forced to take these operations over.  Teachers, doctors and many others became public servants.  Few obtained satisfaction in their work.  They were given a reasonable wage, but they lost their identity, and became small cogs in a giant machine.  There was no room for personal initiative, little recognition for effort, their income was fixed and advancement came only when a superior retired or died.

In desperation, the governors decided to seek Fabian's advice.  They considered him very wise, and he seemed to know how to solve money matters.  He listened to all their problems, and finally answered, "Many people cannot solve their own problems - they need someone to do it for them. Surely you agree that most people have the right to be happy and to be provided with the essentials of life, right?. One of our great sayings is "all men are equal" - is it not?
“Well, the only way to balance things up is to take the excess wealth from the rich and give it to the poor.  Introduce a system of taxation.  The more a man has, the more he must pay.  Collect taxes from each person according to his ability, and give to each according to his need.  Schools and hospitals should be free for those who cannot afford them "

He gave them a long talk on high-sounding ideals and finished up with, "Oh, by the way, don't forget you owe me money. You've been borrowing now for quite some time. The least I can do to help is for you to just pay me the interest. We'll leave the capital debt owing, just pay me the interest."

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“The judicial system is working exactly like designed!!  The problem is
that everyone is going on the assumption that they are "courts of law". 
The courts of law ended with the official, legal bankruptcy of the United States
 in 1933.  Now what you think are courts are Administrative Tribunals.  They are
administering to the Bankruptcy!!  Everything you, your children, your posterity
 earn, and will ever earn, all you own, or will ever own has been pledged toward
that bankruptcy!!”  Billy-Joe..Mauldin <wildbill2@aeneas.net>
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They went away, and without giving Fabian's philosophies any real thought, they introduced the graduated income tax - the more you earn, the higher your tax rate.  No one liked this, but they either paid the taxes or went to jail.

Merchants were forced once again to raise their prices.  Wage earners demanded higher wages, forcing many employers out of business, or to replace men with machinery.  This caused additional unemployment and forced the Government to introduce further welfare and handout schemes.

Tariffs and other protection devices were introduced to keep some industries going just to provide employment.  A few people wondered if the purpose of the production was to produce goods or merely to provide employment.

As things got worse, they tried wage control, price control, and all sorts of controls.  The Government tried to get more money through sales tax, payroll tax and all sorts of taxes.  Someone noted that from the wheat farmer right through to the housewife, there were over 50 taxes on a loaf of bread.

"Experts" arose and some were elected to Government, but after each yearly meeting they came back with almost nothing achieved, except for the news that taxes were to be "restructured", but overall the total tax always increased.

Fabian began to demand his interest payments, and a larger and larger portion of the tax money was being needed to pay him.

Then came party politics - the people started arguing about which group of Governors could best solve the problems.  They argued about personalities, idealism, party labels, everything except the real problem.  The councils were getting into trouble.

In one town the interest on the debt exceeded the amount of rates which were collected in a year.  Throughout the land the unpaid interest kept increasing -- interest was charged on unpaid interest.


Gradually much of the real wealth of the country came to be owned or controlled by Fabian and his friends and with it came greater control over people.  However, the control was not yet complete.  They knew that the situation would not be secure until every person was controlled.

Most people opposing the systems could be silenced by financial pressure, or suffer public ridicule.  To do this Fabian and his friends purchased most of the newspapers, T.V. and radio stations, and he carefully selected people to operate them.  Many of these people had a (relatively) sincere desire to improve the world but never realised how they were being used.  Their solutions always dealt with the effects of the problem, never the cause.

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“By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to
 expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by
discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned
and so successfully accomplished."   USA Banker's Magazine, August 25 1924
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There were several different newspapers - one for the right wing, one for the left wing, one for the workers, one for the bosses, and so on.  It didn't matter much which one you believed in, so long as you didn't think about the real problem.

Fabian's plan was almost at its completion - the whole country was in debt to him. Through education and the media, he had control of people's minds.  They were able to think and believe only what he wanted them to.


When a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what’s left to excite him?  For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power -- raw power over other human beings.  The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality.

Most of the goldsmiths had become this way.  They knew the feeling of great wealth, but it no longer satisfied them.  They needed challenge and excitement, and power over the masses was the ultimate game.

They believed they were superior to all others.  "It is our right and duty to rule. The masses don't know what is good for them. They need to be rallied and organised. To rule is our birthright."

Throughout the land Fabian and his friends owned many lending offices.  True, they were privately and separately owned, in theory in competition, but in reality they were working very closely together.  After persuading some of the Governors, they set up an institution which they called the Money Reserve Centre.  They didn't even use their own money to do this, but created credit against part of the money out of the people's deposits.

This Institution gave the outward appearance of regulating the money supply and being a Government operation, but strangely enough, no Governor or public servant was ever allowed to be on the Board of Directors.

The Government no longer borrowed directly from Fabian, but began to use a system of I.O.U.'s to the Money Reserve Centre.  The security offered was the estimated revenue from next year's taxes.  This was in line with Fabian's plan -- removing suspicion from himself to an apparent Government operation.  Yet, behind the scenes, he was still in control.

Indirectly, Fabian had such control over the Government that they were forced to do his bidding.  He boasted, "Let me control the nation's money and I care not who makes its laws."  It didn't matter much which group of Governors were elected.  Fabian was in control of the money, the life blood of the nation.

The Government obtained the money, but interest was always charged on every loan.  More and more was going out in welfare and handout schemes, and it was not long before the Government found it difficult to even repay the interest, let alone the capital.

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"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation.
 Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as
possible.  When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes
they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the
strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control
of leading financiers”.   USA Banker's Magazine, August 25 1924
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And yet there were people who still asked the question, "Money is a man-made system. Surely it can be adjusted to serve, not to rule?"  But these people became fewer and their voices were lost in the mad scrabble for the non-existent interest.

The administrations changed, the party labels changed, but the major policies continued.  Regardless of which Government was in "power", Fabian's ultimate goal was brought closer each year.  The people's policies meant nothing.  They were being taxed to the limit, they could pay no more.  Now the time was ripe for Fabian's final move.

10% of the money supply was still in the form of notes and coins.  This had to be abolished in such a way as not to arouse suspicion.  While the people used cash, they were free to buy and sell as they chose -- they still had some control over their own lives.

But it was not always safe to carry notes and coins.  Checks were not accepted outside one's local community, and therefore a more convenient system was looked forward to.  Once again Fabian had the answer.  His organisation issued everyone with a little plastic card showing the person's name, photograph and an identification number.

When this card was presented anywhere, the storekeeper phoned the central computer to check the credit rating.  If it was clear, the person could buy what he wanted up to a certain amount.

At first people were allowed to spend a small amount on credit, and if this was repaid within a month, no interest was charged.  This was fine for the wage earner, but what businessman could even begin?  He had to set up machinery, manufacture the goods, pay wages etc. and sell all his goods and repay the money.  If he exceeded one month, he was charged a 1.5% for every month the debt was owed.  This amounted to over 18% per year.

Businessmen had no option but to add the 18% onto the selling price.  Yet this extra money or credit (the 18%) had not been loaned out to anyone.  Throughout the country, businessmen were given the impossible task of repaying $118 for every $100 they borrowed - but the extra $18 had never been created at all!

Yet Fabian and his friends increased their standing in society.  They were regarded as pillars of respectability.  Their pronouncements on finance and economics were accepted with almost religious conviction.

Under the burden of ever increasing taxes, many small businesses collapsed.  Special licenses were needed for various operations, so that the remaining ones found it very difficult to operate.  Fabian owned and controlled all of the big companies which had hundreds of subsidiaries.   These appeared to be in competition with each other, yet he controlled them all.  Eventually all competitors were forced out of business. 

Fabian wanted the plastic cards to eliminate notes and coins.  His plan was that when all notes were withdrawn, only businesses using the computer card system would be able to operate.

He planned that eventually some people would misplace their cards and be unable to buy or sell anything until a proof of identify was made.  He wanted a law to be passed which would give him ultimate control -- a law forcing everyone to have their identification number tattooed onto their hand.  The number would be visible only under a special light, linked to a computer.  Every computer would be linked to a giant central computer so that Fabian could know everything about everyone.

By the way, the correct terminology used in the financial world for this system is "fractional reserve banking."
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/A-banking-irs/2003/05A-08-18-
03-i-want-the-earth-plus-five-percent.html

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"We authorise our loan agents in the western States to loan our funds on
real estate, to fall due on September 1st 1894, and at no time thereafter.
On September 1, 1894, we will not renew our loans under any consideration.
On September 1st we will demand our money -- we will foreclose and become
mortgagees in possession.  We can take two-thirds of the farms west of the
Mississippi and thousands of them east of the great Mississippi as well,
at our own price.  We may as well own three-fourths of the farms of the west
and the money of the country. Then the farmers will become tenants, as in England." 
Confidential circular sent to American bankers and their agents in 1891,
reprinted in the Idaho Leader, AUG 26, 1924, and read into Hansard twice:
by John Evans MP, in 1926, and by M.D. Cowan M.P., in the Session of 1930-1931.
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If you found this Fairy Tale disturbingly close to the truth and would like to know who Fabian is in real life, a good starting point is a study of the activities of the English goldsmiths in the 16th & 17th centuries.
For example, The Bank of England began in 1694.  King William of Orange was in financial difficulties as a result of a war with France.  The Goldsmiths "lent him" 1.2 million pounds (a staggering amount in those days) with certain conditions:
        The interest rate was to be 8%.  It must be remembered that Magna Carta stated that the charging or collecting of interest carried the death penalty.  The King was to grant the goldsmiths a charter for the bank which gave them the right to issue credit.
        Prior to this, their operations of issuing receipts for more money than they held in deposits was totally illegal.  The charter made it legal.  [end]
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FREECYCLING:
A small but revolutionary part of the Solution?

“People go in thinking 'want, want, want.'  But they come out feeling, 'I'm helping out. I'm part of something bigger here.” 
Deron Beal, creator of the "FREECYCLING" concept.

NOT ONLY DO YOU GET FREE STUFF, YOU COULD ALSO REFORM YOUR INNER PACK RAT, HELP SOMEONE IN NEED, PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PERHAPS EVEN PARTICIPATE IN A REVOLUTION.

Sound radical?  Not if you take it one free thing at a time.  And that's just what hundreds of Portlanders have been doing the past four weeks: giving away and getting things -- a Subaru station wagon, a bike pump, a La-Z-Boy recliner, sourdough starter, a water filter, a pet duck -- for free.

Freecycling, says its Arizona creator, Deron Beal, is "a strange creature. It's basically a listserv for people to give and get things locally for free." 
A listserv is a computer program that automatically distributes e-mail to everybody who signed up on a mailing list.

Freecycling works like this: You have, say, a radial arm saw sitting in your basement that you bought, thinking you'd take a carpentry class and make a dining room table.  Ten years later you're still eating on a card table and realise you'll never fire up that saw.
        So you send an e-mail to the Portland Freecycle listserv titled: "OFFERED: RADIAL ARM SAW."  Sure enough, within a day or so you get an e-mail from somebody who could really use that saw.  They come pick it up.
        Do you need a small refrigerator?  A queen-size mattress?  An oil tank?  They're all available, all free.
        Or you could request specific items you're looking for.  Just this week, folks put out the word they're looking for bricks, a bread machine, door gates for a puppy, and a time clock.
        Depending on whom you talk to, freecycling is either a handy way to clear your closets or a planet-changing economic system similar to the Native American gift-giving ceremony "potlatch."  "I see freecycle as a way not only to keep our landfills free," Albert says, "but to allow people to experience a gift-giving economy."

Freecycling is spreading fast around the planet.  Just last week Freecycle listservs were begun in Tokyo and Singapore.

BIRTH OF A NEW OR PARALLEL ECONOMIC SYSTEM?
It all started in Tucson, Ariz., in May.  Deron, 36, runs a small nonprofit recycling organisation.  Every once in a while someone would donate a desk, or computers, "and I'd have to call all these nonprofits, asking, 'Do you need a computer? We have a computer. Do you need desks?'  It was a lot of work."
        Then one day it occurred to Deron: He could start a listserv, post with what was available, and save himself all those phone calls.  "And then I thought, why don't we open it up to everybody?"
        So he did. " I sent the first e-mail to my friends and 10 or 15 nonprofits. That was on May 1. It started picking up pretty quickly."
        After a week he had 30 people signed up; within a month it was up to 60.  Today more than 1,100 folks in Tucson trade a steady stream of offers of, and requests for, items as diverse as propane barbecues, old wrestling videos, a prickly pear cactus and a Hammond organ.
        There's someone out there who needs almost everything,"
        By mid-summer in Tucson, it was clear Deron had conceived an innovative way to meet those needs.  Someone sent a description of freecycle in Tucson to the Utne Reader, which put a blurb on its Web site in August and a small story in its September/October issue.
        "All of a sudden we got responses from all over the place," Deron says, "from people looking for guidance, saying they wanted to do this in their area."
        One of the responses was from Albert in Portland.  A big supporter of recycling, Albert liked the idea of giving Oregonians a way to "freecycle their trash, rather than just tossing it away. I've always been a big fan of second-hand shops and swap meets. Freecycling seemed like a natural continuation of that, except everything is free. So the nature of the connection is different."
        For several years Albert has attended the Burning Man festival, an art festival and eclectic temporary community of 25,000 that comes together for a week every summer in the Black Rock Desert of Nevada.  "It's purely a gifting economy," Albert says. "The only thing you can buy there is ice and coffee."  Otherwise it's a "commerce-free environment... People are encouraged not to barter or buy things from each other. There's just supposed to be gifting, back and forth."
        Albert liked the idea of re-creating that kind of generosity back in Portland.  He contacted Deron, set up a Freecycle Portland listserv, and posted the first offer himself Sept. 16: a free one-hour guitar lesson.  (It was still unclaimed, as of Thursday.)  "The second posting was just a few minutes later, and it was a car."
        As it has in nearly every other city, Freecycling has taken off in Portland.  Someone has offered to make free videos for rock bands.  Someone else requested donations of large-size dresses.
        Albert is moderator.  Actually running the listserv only takes about five minutes a day, he says.  "I set a tone that's welcoming and easygoing," he says.  He also keeps out spam and ensures the most important rule is scrupulously followed: Everything must be free.  No bartering.  No exchanges of money.
        In truth, Freecycle Portland almost runs itself.  Albert spends more time spreading the word than he does moderating.  "My intention is to grow this as large as humanly possible and to spread it to every city, state, university and community in every corner of the world," he says.

For now, Albert is happy he can provide people in the Northwest with an opportunity to give each other gifts.  He thinks it could change the way people look at their possessions.  Deron agrees.  "People go in thinking 'want, want, want,'  But they come out feeling, 'I'm helping out.  I'm part of something bigger here.' "

"For some people, it's a way to get a free toaster. For others of us, it's a way to change the world."
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DODGY BIBLE SEXED UP! // FEEDBACK ON FEEDBACK

Fraser,
I haven't had time to peruse the bible story, but I've been reading the responses and I know a little bit about what you're talking about.

Still, good work on stirring people UP, but could we remember that while some of us regard the church as abominable in practice, the majority of actual practisers of christianity in Middle England are fundamentally good people with good intentions, and we should not forget that when we choose to castigate the church for its racist, sexist, homophobic and daft ways (re the panorama programme on HIV/AIDS).
> i’ve been wondering deeply about that.  fully intended to write about it in last UP! but simply didn’t have time and shall now have to do it in little comments like this. 
are they really good people?  Chemical Kelly was a fine example.  a ‘much loved and respected’ inventor of planet-threatening viruses?!
or look at it from the other angle?  what effect would a religion have on its adherents which is founded entirely on the proposition that nobody else should EVER think independently, or that ANY other source of inspiration is not only wrong (that would be fair enuff) but inspired by Evil?!  wouldn’t it produce the greedy, sociopathic state terror we’re currently threatened by?  wouldn’t it produce a nation of pretty much sheep with a very very small minority (now thank goddess growing daily!) of cultural creatives? 
think about it.  are people ‘naturally’ conformist and dulled or is this a psychological effect of uno wot?

I have friends who are devout Christians, who also recognise that the church is flawed, the bible interpreted, and that Jesus himself said "no church, thankyou".   It is the nature of people to congregate physically and socially for safety, and we should not totally dismiss that instinct, even while we value our individuality.
 
I often think that I should duplicate your efforts with a slightly different angle, that of Balance.  (Time and selfishness, if I'm honest, prevent this).  We should remember that this Balance is important, you reach many people, sometimes I think you overbalance.
> as uno, the aim of the UP! is to counter the prevailing swing in the opp direction, leaving readers to find their own balance between the 2 points.  but think about this: if i say the natural drugs are the gods & goddesses who can help us find the Balance required to share a small planet, it SOUNDS extreme.  but that’s only because we’ve been brainwashed daily all our lives towards the opposite pov.  just about every pagan/shamanist/gnostic would agree without even having to think about it :)

I know you'll respect this view, because you publish replies regardless of how much they disagree with you, so at least you're willing to get into an argument/discussion.  In this way, there is always hope, because that represents a microcosm of not just sitting back and taking it, but without violence.  That is important.
Friday Jones / U.K.
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 Yew missed the point, Fraz.  Freke and Gandy's book isn't about +tianity.  It's about Gnosticism, a point of view found in all religions and non-religions (sic) alike.
lanny colter / california
> take your point but STILL say why bother with the gnostics when the word +tianity keeps popping up and flavouring things no matter how u try? :)  i mean it's not like we're short of other 'instruments' izzit?
and anyway, from a shamanic pov, the gnostics were in a society that was already being dominated by warlike romans etc.  there are plenny of other shamanic techniques that never got warped by that.
if u STILL insist on looking towards the 'christ-ian' gnostics then i must ask: izzit time for u to re-consider how deeply you've been brainwashed?  :)
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Hi Fraser,
It’s of no concern to me whether there was such a person as Jesus or not - although on balance I think probably there was.  However, all the comments you had back from outraged Christians as a result of your review of the Jesus Mysteries amused me no end.  There's nothing some people dislike more than having their own particular sacred cow challenged.  It's actually very good for them - I know this from personal experience - it shows one how narrow minded one can really can be - and in so doing it may start a process of  growth and greater understanding.
Keep up the good work!
Richard Greaves / Paris
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hi fraser -
love all this stuff - thanks for sending it!
Adele / Wales
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Touched a nerve or two on the Geezus story Phrase, nice one, interesting to see some +tians calling you closed minded!
jim craig / oop north
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Hi Fraser
I'll try to keep it brief, knowing how much you have to read/deal with/ answer/ argue with etc.  I meant to write after the last UP! on this here Jesus book you reviewed/ raved about/ recommended, but somehow it kinda slipped backwards in my priority list - work, partner recovering from major surgery etc.- but then I read the responses to it, and still my response is in my head, plus my response to their response ... so a few thoughts...

Not read the book and, as I don't buy books and rarely steal them these days, probably won't, unless I ask the local library to order it.
> DO IT! every library in the land must have this book!  :D

So you could argue I'm writing from ignorance [you will!] and maybe their evidence is overwhelming, but I'm pretty sure there was an actual Jesus, there usually is an individual on whose shoulders myths are hung.  At the time, in that area, there were prophets galore popping up all the time, each trying to fit the myths of a messiah and become the main man [imagine the groupies this could attract!].  Most of 'em were out of their bonces on a variety of mind bending mushrooms and cacti, and were seeing burning bushes and other 'miracles' all the time.  Many were executed by the Romans.
> remembering the Hippy Times is the best way to picture it, i find.

I was surprised you made no mention of John Allegro's book 'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross'.  He's a scholar and a world expert on the Dead Sea scrolls which he translated [and which were carbon dated to 50 odd years before JC, but contained stories remarkably similar to the new testament, so have been suppressed by the Catholic Church as much as they could.
> precisely.  the Main Point here is that +tianity is NOT the new and unique revelation the CC presents but a small, literal sect within a Great Spiritual Movement that was basically taken over by the greatest Killing Machine on the planet for its own ends.

The guy is a linguist and expert on the languages of the area including Aramaic, the language of the scrolls, Greek and Hebrew [he used to be a Jesuit!!] and he shows how words in one language were used as puns in another
> best is Jesus which is simply Joshua in Greek and about as common as John.  so whenever anyone mentions ‘John’ the Church jumped in and counted it as a reference to uno who, their ticket on the gravy train.

and how the word for mushroom could also mean 'god's penis'! [all this in a climate of military occupation and resistance with mostly small groups of dissidents communicating with each other in code to avoid detection].  One part of their belief was; god ejaculated over the desert and these lickle dicks grew up wherever his seed landed, so they ate the mushrooms [god's penis] and lo and behold saw all manner of revelations/psychedelic hallucinations
> visions.  hallucinations is a +tian priest’s term :)

[on top of being out in the heat for weeks, fasting etc.].  These guys were totally stoned-out raving hairies wishing to fulfil the legends of a messiah. 

But to get back to the subject of whether JC actually existed, I have another book titled 'Jesus died in Kashmir' which postulates from much research and photographs of tombs in Kashmir, that JC left Palestine and trekked to Kashmir, married and had children and was buried there.  A small tribe of 'Israelites' [descendants?] were charged with caring for the tomb, and their descendents are still there with tales garbled somewhat by time.  A fascinating read. 
> i first came across the theory in India actually.  but i think freke and gandy’s book basically kiboshes all that and all the merovingian-mary-came-to-france stuff with it, all the Blood and the Cross and etc.  all of that is about OTHER gnostic individuals and sects making a run from the heat and setting up in foreign climes  usually with a much better version of the shamanic techniques than the uno whos.

on a different note... I must say I haven't had such a good laugh for years as the end of this UP! gave me with the tale of 'the arsehole'.  Fookin! brilliant. 

As for the angry xtian letters, I'm amazed you had these kind of people on your subscribers' list, 'dabbling in dangerous waters' I guess :)  Well you sure shocked them into a reaction 4 sure.

Must go, could go on, but I've already spent most of the morning since I opened the UP! and I simply have to get my head into work work work for a while.  In future, I'll have to save the UP! for evening reading.
Take care man, more power to you,
Pete Password / Herefordshire
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“These men come into the office and they really only see women as whores and tarts and slappers and they don’t see them as real people.  They can pretend very well to their wives and families that they’re quite decent and yet I’ve worked alongside these people and they’re pigs... absolute utter pigs”.  Marissa, in the Evening Standard, describing working for a trading firm.
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The problem isn't located back in history.  The problem is right now.  As is the solution.  If we don't find it until tomorrow, then the problem will be tomorrow's too.
> i start my peace raps these days with this: 
"there are 2 Fronts in the Battle to make Peace.  if you concentrate only on one you’re defenceless on the other, and therefore fail. 
"first (in no particular order) is the Inner Front.  we each have inherited the negative aspects of the ‘sick’ culture in which we've been brought UP!.  we each have to work on our selves to become free from this False Personality.  if we don't work hard on this then the moment we reach any kind of power position we find we have no inner understanding to resist the pressures and compromises our new situation has opened us to.
"secondly (in no particular order) we have to work on that very Culture which fooked us up in the first place.  what is the point of me freeing myself if ten more are being indoctrinated as i do it?"

so half of the problem IS located in the past.  deep in the past i think.  by the time the gnostics appeared they were already part of the Inner Front loyalist remnants fighting a losing or at best a holding operation.  to go into this a bit deeper than i want to go, the problem with all these later shamanic strategies is that they over-emphasise mere survival (secrecy, working ONLY on oneself) when what we need in this current point in history is for us to come forth fully formed and unapologetic because we are now at the point where the resistance is almost powerful enough to STOP the dominant cultural strain.  this was NOT the situation when the gnostics were being wiped out by the Roman Christian Church/State. 

And it isn't a matter or who's right.  It's a question of how to bring a little more justice and then peace into the world.
> since it's difficult to do that, u have to say what the resistance is.  i say the resistance is deeply inbuilt in the culture and in the System's very structure.  (and, hence, in every individual)

You and I are doing our things to get there.
> there's clearly no q about us being on the same side.  what we're discussing is how to focus our firepower most accurately :)
lanny cottler ‘ new york
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conspiracy theories, hysterical pseudo liberal & left fascism
I don’t know how i came to get your particular brand of conspiracy theories, hysterical pseudo liberal, left fascism (or is it true that it is now a fully fledged religion of its own?) but please please please spare me any more - the 30 microseconds of telephone time it costs to download this brand of 'Bush is a bastard, Jesus was really a carrot, and come the glorious-bloodless, middle class, vegetarian, anti-small fluffy bunnies being hurt - revolution, we will all be able to afford Gap clothes, a Renault 2CV, pair of Reebok or Nike' trainers - and we wont make any of the mistakes of our forbears because we are so much more turned on, tuned in (well fed?) trendy and fashionable than those old fogies from the past. That is until the hooded youths with the dour expressions come to take your bling bling. Fortunately you (or is it your mummy and daddy?) are well heeled enough not to have to actually live in Watts, East L.A. or Brixton, just as your grandparents never had to live in the Bronx, Bowery or Stepney but still felt superior enough to fuck over these communities without so much as a backward glance.  Wake UP!! the revolution has been and gone and we are now in the period of the dictatorship of the middle classes, its your hegemony, its your responsibility. It is time to put away childish things. It is now you that is crapping on the blacks and working stiffs, its your clothes that are made through virtual slavery. It is your cheap food that is depriving the poor of their land. It is your demand for cheap petroleum products (yes USA ) but of course 'PU' s' brand of naive first year university politics is as it always was - much more about fashion,  belonging and being 'in' with the group than it is about the World. Its all about YOU, think on it.
adapt / uk
> slight case of mistaken identity here :)  indeed u sound a bit like myself when i get a bit of a rage going.  me in nike? me with a rich mummy and a daddy?  me first year university am SIXTY!  huh?  maybe u should’ve read one of the UP!s before making such conclusions.  am nonplussed, don’t even know where you’re coming from so can’t make many sassy responses :)
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OK, I'll bite. Just what, exactly, is Israel up to? In your opinion, of course.
ruthandco / alaska
> aw babe, if u don't know there's no point me telling u :)  read some back issues of the UP!.
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fraser - just another voice to add to the cacophony regarding your recent book review.
I welcome a new (or maybe not so new) view on the subject but it made me kind of sad to think maybe jesus never was.
> then rejoice!  he’s a legendary type.  there have been many of him!  and there are many today!

I was raised in a semi-pagan all embracing very 'aware' environment, and was informed that jesus did exist. apparently his mother mary was a priestess in the temple of isis who was often 'on loan' to the nobility on account of her tantric knowledge. 
i was told she did indeed sleep with one of the sons of pilate so any child of hers would constitute a threat to his ascension.  not too sure about this as surely they had hundreds of illegitimate kids back then?
> hundreds of illegitimate falsehoods more like!  try this from the book:
“The ludicrous nature of what passed for history in the early years of +tianity is graphically illustrated by the whitewashing of Pontius Pilate.  This brutal Roman governor was so hated by the Jews that he had been made responsible for the saviour’s death by those who had originally put the Jesus myth into an historical context.  But by the 2nd century Tertullian relates the ludicrous tale that Pilate had washed his hands of Jesus’ death because “in his secret heart” he was actually a Christian!  According to Tertullian the earliest news of +tianity to reach Rome was a report from Pilate indicating that Christ (whom he had supposedly just executed) was indeed divine!
“Subsequently a document called The Acts of Pilate was forged based on Tertullian’s fantasy.  Then a further text called The Gospel of Nicodemus was based on this text to create what one modern scholar calls “a fiction three levels deep.”  In this latter we are told that when Pilate’s report of Jesus’ execution reached Rome, the Emperor ordered Pilate to be brought before him in chains!
“When the Emperor spoke Christ’s name all the statues of the gods fell down and became as dust.”  Such nonsense goes on and on.  Although it may have been believed as history at the time, to modern ears it sounds like obvious nonsense. Yet the more acceptable traditional history that has been taken as 'gospel truth’ for 1500 years was created by the same people who gave us this baloney.  It is just as fanciful and inaccurate and if it were not for its sheer familiarity it would be just as easy to dismiss”

anyway the mental person I had created to represent jesus was always a nice guy and sound role model.
>totally correct, babe. a sound role model :)

i think a lot of the problems with christianity are to do with it's interpretation.  surely the advice "respect those around you and your environment" and "the power of god lives inside everybody" is completely ok?  Always imagined some sort of anarcho-hippy dude with lots of universal love for mankind.  it just seems a lot of those professing to be christians lost that bit in the translation.
> it must be my fault but that’s the whole point!  ‘jesus the christ’ WAS a pagan, dope-usin’ dood with loadsa universal love  or he was trying to be - like many guys u know!

even if christ never lived and the bible is an amalgamation of the 'safe' or 'low brow' cabbalistic doctrine as well as a genealogy of the time, some of it is bloody good advice.  but like a lot of memes I spose we all need to pick the information that feels like truth and discard the rest.  a hard job for anyone i guess. the teachings of buddha are clearer to understand with a bit less bias in the translation (maybe!).
anyway that is my two pence.

love from
liz / wales
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A note to all Christian nutters who want the death penalty.
Number six of the ten commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. 
No ifs, no buts, no nuancing, no finessing.  Thou shalt not kill.  How clear do they need it to be?  They are either stupid or just plain liars when they say they are Christians.
 
Do they think they know better than God?  If they think so then they are going to burn in hell.  And I for one won't be bothered to come down from Heaven to piss on them.
 
Rock on Fraser.  It's so good to see their cages rattled.  Maybe you can shake some sense into them.
 
Paz, luz e amor,
Chris / Brazilia
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"GNOSTIC SABBATH"

The Earth wasn't made in six days
- my ancestors' wisdom notwithstanding -
nor did our Creator rest on the seventh

You see, God's still making it
born of the sweat of her dark musky thighs
You might say it's a "bootstrapping" operation

Me?  I ride in a callous on God's index finger
the one she uses to pull on her boots with

And you think you got problems?
Lanny  Cotler.
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Fraser,
The question is irrelevant.
There is only one religion - the truth.  Any time wasted trying to discredit any philosophy or religion is time that could have been spent searching for true meaning behind the core teachings which are obviously uncorrupted by ego or politics.
> unlikely in my opinion.

These are fundamentally the same.  Jesus did not exist any more than you or I do, but his message to love one another is a true direction.  To do anything else is futile.  Love leads to understanding, understanding leads to leads to enlightenment - on all levels there is only One - everything else; religion, philosophy, words, mankind, the universe is/are ultimately temporal and therefore unreal, in truth, they do not exist.
> agreed :)

That having been said, I may well read the book, as pointless as it might be!
Regards,
Gary / Wales
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George Galloway
The British Labour Party excommunicated Mr Galloway this week and out official press lined up to kick the body of the thoroughly demonised MP.
Here’s what he actually said, unreported in most of the UK press:

"They have lied to the British Air Force and Navy, when they said the battle of Iraq would be very quick and easy.  They attacked Iraq like wolves.  They attacked civilians.   They encountered resistance from Iraqi forces and Iraqi people who are defending their dignity, religion and country.”
"Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs.  Where are the Arab armies?"
"Even if it is not realistic to ask a non-Iraqi army to come to defend Iraq, we see Arab regimes pumping oil for the countries who are attacking it." 
Abu Dhabi TV,  28 March 2003, quoted in  Daily Telegraph, OCT 24, 2003.

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